[co_heir]

Behaving like a Christian

[Campmeeting Liberal]

"Lord willing" before anything that someone plans to do. (e.g. Lord willing we will see you next Friday at the youth service).

"Bible-believing". Inaccurate statement.

"Get saved."

"Pardon the personal illustration". Then follows some silly story from the MoG about their good ol' days.

"Amen?" Spoken by the MoG when nobody is saying amen during the sermon.

[EnlightenedMK]

Submission, woman’s place, homemaker...

God made you that way and God doesn’t make mistakes. (Referencing a person’s gender)


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[BASSENCO]

Camp Meetng Liberal, we actually are commanded to speak about the future in terms of our dependence on the Will of God. As in, we have to acknowledge that we do not control future events. Check the Epistle of James (4:13-15).

I had Fundamentalism's typical breezy "plan for great things" attitude until I started to recognize (by means of astrology, actually) the rule of God over all things. I don't like the glib "Lord willin and the creeks don't rise" saying, but it is a matter of conscience with me (and others, I expect) to never proclaim my own control over any future moment. All of my comments about the future are conditional. In my secular workplace, I sometimes say, "My plan is to do such and such" but if my boss pushes me to make a commitment, I say outright, "Yes, Lord willing" or "Yes, as God allows." But I believe it is prideful to claim power over the future. It is a matter of conscience for me and others.

[Ricardo]

Anything coming out of the Voice of the Martyrs.

Most of the current martyrs out of Syria, Egypt or Iran are actually Coptic Christians, Syriac Christians or even Greek Orthodox Christians, who would NOT be allowed to worship in most of the very same churches who push the VoM shtuff.

[Dr. Jezebel]

When I was Xtian, daily quiet time annoyed me. Like, as a new parent or as a parent to a lot of kids, that's pretty much impossible! "But with God, all things are possible." Sure, okay.

Now, the phrase that bothers me most is, "I guess you were never a True Christian." And if I protest, I get, "Sorry if that upsets you, but that's exactly what the Bible says."

[myotch]

(03-13-2018, 10:12 AM)Dr. Jezebel Wrote: ...
Now, the phrase that bothers me most is, "I guess you were never a True Christian." And if I protest, I get, "Sorry if that upsets you, but that's exactly what the Bible says."

To which I would reply “Where?”

I guess in a “I never knew you” kind of way, salvation was never attained.  There’s this whole other passage about types of soil, which seems to allow for something other than the black/white thinking.

I don’t think “true Christian” (whatever that is supposed to mean), or just “Christian” is synonymous with salvation.

All it takes to be labeled Christian is to be baptized in the Christian Trinitarian formula.

[Josh]

(03-09-2018, 01:33 PM)Workin Wrote: Any anti-LGBT rhetoric, but especially the phrase "defending marriage," or conversely, "attacking marriage." This seemed crazy to me even when I was a Fundy. How can LGBT folks be attacking marriage? The only people who can attack your marriage are you and your spouse, and possibly some other close family members, such as your mother-in-law.

Amen!

Add in "sanctity of marriage," as if all straight people have always taken marriage oh-so-seriously, and it's only now that we pesky LGBT people have defiled it... 

[Neigh I Say]

“Friend” or “young person” used as an address during a sermon. The former carries an air of “I am doing this because I love you” (another shudder) and also feels fake and pretentious because the speaker isn’t actually friends with everyone in the audience; and the latter comes with the assumption that all us young people are rebellious hooligans who they have to drag, kicking and screaming, for us to show any interest in following God.

Also, things like “now, don’t look at the person next to you thinking he needs this, search your own heart” or “don’t think this message isn’t for you.” Well, you know what, preacher, sometimes it IS other people and not me. If every message were about me, I must be a horrible person, indeed!

Then there’s “don’t add to Christ’s burden on the cross,” which is one of the most horrible things I’ve ever heard. It paralyzed me, especially given that literally every decision was dragged into the moral sphere.

But when I ended up in counseling with the pastor, he tried to tell me I had such a soft heart and not to worry about sinning. Well, how am I supposed to believe that, when all I hear is “everyone does X sin,” “if you think this isn’t for you, it is,” and “you should be terrified of adding to Christ’s burden on the cross”?! But apparently I’m the problem for taking him seriously, not he for making generalized and harsh statements when he knows he’s viewed as an unquestionable Authority.

And there’s “every time the doors are open!” Well, what if the church only has services on Sunday morning? Then, of course, they’re Godless heathens. But why is 3 services a week the proper number? “Every time the doors are open” is entirely dependent on what each individual church does, and the more the church demands out of you, the more they can judge you for being too busy for God!!

So this all begs the question, why am I to be “in my place” every single service, when the message is really going to those who supposedly have rebellious hearts??

[Workin' Mama]

Quote:“Friend” or “young person” used as an address during a sermon.

^^Yes, this! [Twitches].

Also, "come on, Sinner Friend!"  [Twitches and shudders simultaneously]. Yeah, Preacher Friend, that's a great way to connect with your audience.

Also, like you mentioned, the stereotyping of young people as being rebellious, immoral, lacking in self-control, and "worldly." As a late teen/young adult, I was probably stricter about sticking to the fundy rules than a lot of my elders were. And ultimately, it was not out of any desire to do things that fundies consider "worldly" that I left fundamentalism. Sure, the legalism helped push me out the doors. But it was recognizing that their theology was corrupt, unethical, and totally contrary to the compassion of Jesus that really made me decide to leave. I shed my knee-length swimming gear, prohibition against alcohol, etc., AFTER leaving fundamentalism.