[Campmeeting Liberal]

So, I don't know if I am in the right section to start this thread. But here goes:

I have been noticing that the IFB leaders are freaking out lately. The pastors are preaching big time on the Millennials. AND those that at one time didn't associate with each other are starting to unite. For example, Crown uniting with Hammond. Bob Jones aligning with Crown.

The movement is dying, y'all. I really think we are seeing them take their last gasping breaths. In twenty years, I don't think the movement will even exist at all. Maybe a few stray churches here and there. What do you think?

Also, I am curious. What camp of IFB do you all hail from? I am from the Raynes' (Pleasant View Baptist in SC) camp which would include guys such as: Billy Ball, Billy Goolesby, Sammy Allen, Larry Raynes, Rudy Smith, Dale Massengale, et al. They were closely aligned with the Tabernacle Baptist group: Harold Sightler, Billy Kelly, Olver B. Green, et al.

I also went to BJU. Funny thing is that was considered a "liberal" move for me by people I grew up around. I even had a preacher warn me about becoming liberal because of going to BJU. A girl in my class signed my yearbook my senior year saying "Don't go all liberal on us" and my principal at my Christian school wouldn't let me wear a BJU hoodie to school during my senior year because "they aren't KJV only". Lol. To think that there is a group out there that thinks BJU is liberal!!! Hahahaha.

I have come a LONG way since those days. Funny thing is, I guess I really did become a liberal. I guess they were right. HAHAHAHA.

What about you all?

[pastor's wife]

We were in the GARBC. Our churches support Baptist Bible College in Clarks Summit, PA, and Cedarville among others. My parents were stricter than most of the people in our church. I wanted a bigger Christian college since my church had less than 100 people, so I considered Cedarville and PCC whose ABeka books we'd used and whose college groups had visited our church. I don't know how I heard of BJU. I didn't know anyone who'd gone there. My parents liked how BJU was strict about music and dress code and how it used only the KJV, but they didn't like how "worldly" they girls looked (primarily their use of makeup).

I think fundies draw their circles smaller and smaller when they make up so many extra-Biblical rules to follow. BJU has grown laxer on dress code and isn't KJVo, but I don't think they'll ever let go of their strict music rules.

[James33]

Open your eyes bro. This is the problem, you don't seem to understand that the IFB movement isn't dying: it's being reformed at a dramatic pace with the millennials. It's still the same movement with same underlying problems- it just has a new cover.

The new cover includes "millennial-wannabe" type pastors and the actual younger millennial pastors. These names include the following:

1. Obviously the top of the list is Paul Chappell, considered the modern-day IFB pope - now a FAUX NEWS contributor.
2. His brother, Stephen, is a popular one as well. San Diego area
3. Josh Teis, frequently clashing with the older IFB pastors, leader of the new IFB conference called IDEA DAY
4. Cary Schmidt, took over a church in New England: quickly growing to a big IFB church.
5. Kurt Skelly, took over a church and an accredited college, big name

The new IFB movement is obviously going to be taken over the ones that are graduating from the accredited IFB colleges such as Pensacola and upcoming, West Coast Baptist. These students are going to accredited well known seminaries after. It's still going to exist in the next 20 years, same doctrine and issues - different standards and appearance. No one is going to preach against theaters, contemporary music, and pants on women. They will continue to preach the same old fundamentalist arguments however, with the possible exception of the KJV but as long as Chappell is alive, the KJV issue will still be here 20 years later.

A lot of people outside the Chappell circle are underestimating how powerful Chappell is. He is more influential and dangerous than Jack Hyles. Chappell has been influential in changing the movement, his college is graduating the most students that will shape the IFB movement 20 years later.

As far as IFB College enrollment declining, that isn't a good indicator of the IFB's decline, enrollment overall in the U.S. has been in decline.

[Campmeeting Liberal]

(09-23-2017, 06:52 PM)James33 Wrote: Open your eyes bro. This is the problem, you don't seem to understand that the IFB movement isn't dying: it's being reformed at a dramatic pace with the millennials. It's still the same movement with same underlying problems- it just has a new cover.

This makes me sad. But (and this is a big "but') I would say that the changes being made by the Millennials is at least a better form of this crap (although I wish it would go away fully). At least there will be less craziness like the stuff I grew up in (you know, child abuse, pastoral-worship, cult-like followers, legalism to the nth degree, etc.). But, I guess you're right, it really isn't going to die, is it?

Oh, and I agree, Paul Chappell is the big boy now, and I am not a fan.

[Campmeeting Liberal]

(09-23-2017, 06:49 PM)pastor Wrote: BJU has grown laxer on dress code and isn't KJVo, but I don't think they'll ever let go of their strict music rules.

Yeah. I visited the campus a while back just for giggles, and I was shocked by the changes that have occurred since I graduated. For the better in my opinion.

[James33]

(09-23-2017, 07:16 PM)Campmeeting Liberal Wrote:

(09-23-2017, 06:52 PM)James33 Wrote: Open your eyes bro. This is the problem, you don't seem to understand that the IFB movement isn't dying: it's being reformed at a dramatic pace with the millennials. It's still the same movement with same underlying problems- it just has a new cover.

This makes me sad. But (and this is a big "but') I would say that the changes being made by the Millennials is at least a better form of this crap (although I wish it would go away fully). At least there will be less craziness like the stuff I grew up in (you know, child abuse, pastoral-worship, cult-like followers, legalism to the nth degree, etc.). But, I guess you're right, it really isn't going to die, is it?

Oh, and I agree, Paul Chappell is the big boy now, and I am not a fan.

Okay there will probably be less child-abuse, pastoral-worship, cult-following, legalism.

However, it is being replaced with the pyramid/marketing scheme of the new IFB movement. These millennial IFB leaders are intelligent con artists. Some of them are writing books that are selling in large numbers. Take a look at Chappell's latest book on marriage. The Hyles, BJU camp aren't as smart on marketing as Chappell and the Millennial IFBs.

[Campmeeting Liberal]

(09-23-2017, 07:20 PM)James33 Wrote:

(09-23-2017, 07:16 PM)Campmeeting Liberal Wrote: This makes me sad. But (and this is a big "but') I would say that the changes being made by the Millennials is at least a better form of this crap (although I wish it would go away fully). At least there will be less craziness like the stuff I grew up in (you know, child abuse, pastoral-worship, cult-like followers, legalism to the nth degree, etc.). But, I guess you're right, it really isn't going to die, is it?

Oh, and I agree, Paul Chappell is the big boy now, and I am not a fan.

Okay there will probably be less child-abuse, pastoral-worship, cult-following, legalism.

However, it is being replaced with the pyramid/marketing scheme of the new IFB movement. These millennial IFB leaders are intelligent con artists. Some of them are writing books that are selling in large numbers. Take a look at Chappell's latest book on marriage. The Hyles, BJU camp aren't as smart on marketing as Chappell and the Millennial IFBs.

I agree. But, my point, the old IFB stuff is totally dead. It just is becoming a different kind of monster--such as the Millennial IFBs (or Neo-Fundamentalists as they call themselves). However, the old IFBs are freaking out, I think. They don't like the Neo-Fundies. It is interesting to me.

[Rulebreaker]

So I grew up in a church in MD. A lot of Hyles grads and affiliation. I went to another church's Christian school (ours didn't have one at the time) I don't have anything particularly bad to say about the church I grew up in. However the school I went to and college is where I got the sour taste in my mouth.
I went to WCBC. You wanna talk strict- I haven't talked to a single other fundy u attendee that went somewhere more strict than WCBC. In fact I may start a thread on ridiculous fundy u rules Bc I still harbor some bitterness years later about how they run things. Lol.
I'm familiar with all the names James mentioned above. But will admit after 10 years, I am VERY out of the IFB loop. I didn't realize Carey Schmidt had left. I also went to college with a Teri's. A female- maybe a relative of his.

However, I'm curious what makes James say that they will stop preaching on women wearing pants, going to the theater, contemporary music etc. unless things have changed BIG TIME in the past 9-10 years, I don't see Paul Chappell ever letting those things go. And I agree- Chappell is a powerful dude.

Ps CampmeetingLiberal: in my circles BJU was also considered quite liberal


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[James33]

(09-23-2017, 08:47 PM)Rulebreaker Wrote: So I grew up in a church in MD. A lot of Hyles grads and affiliation. I went to another church's Christian school (ours didn't have one at the time) I don't have anything particularly bad to say about the church I grew up in. However the school I went to and college is where I got the sour taste in my mouth.
I went to WCBC. You wanna talk strict- I haven't talked to a single other fundy u attendee that went somewhere more strict than WCBC. In fact I may start a thread on ridiculous fundy u rules Bc I still harbor some bitterness years later about how they run things. Lol.
I'm familiar with all the names James mentioned above. But will admit after 10 years, I am VERY out of the IFB loop. I didn't realize Carey Schmidt had left. I also went to college with a Teri's. A female- maybe a relative of his.

However, I'm curious what makes James say that they will stop preaching on women wearing pants, going to the theater, contemporary music etc. unless things have changed BIG TIME in the past 9-10 years, I don't see Paul Chappell ever letting those things go. And I agree- Chappell is a powerful dude.

Ps CampmeetingLiberal: in my circles BJU was also considered quite liberal


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Cary Schmidt became very contemporary compared to how he was when he was at Lancaster (especially compared to how he was in the beginning years of being a staff member). Rule breaker, it isn't that you are out of touch, its just WCBC changed over the past 3 years DRAMATICALLY. Also take a look at some of their poster boy graduates. Also take a look at Chappell's two sons!

[Rulebreaker]

(09-23-2017, 10:29 PM)James33 Wrote:

(09-23-2017, 08:47 PM)Rulebreaker Wrote: So I grew up in a church in MD. A lot of Hyles grads and affiliation. I went to another church's Christian school (ours didn't have one at the time) I don't have anything particularly bad to say about the church I grew up in. However the school I went to and college is where I got the sour taste in my mouth.
I went to WCBC. You wanna talk strict- I haven't talked to a single other fundy u attendee that went somewhere more strict than WCBC. In fact I may start a thread on ridiculous fundy u rules Bc I still harbor some bitterness years later about how they run things. Lol.
I'm familiar with all the names James mentioned above. But will admit after 10 years, I am VERY out of the IFB loop. I didn't realize Carey Schmidt had left. I also went to college with a Teri's. A female- maybe a relative of his.

However, I'm curious what makes James say that they will stop preaching on women wearing pants, going to the theater, contemporary music etc. unless things have changed BIG TIME in the past 9-10 years, I don't see Paul Chappell ever letting those things go. And I agree- Chappell is a powerful dude.

Ps CampmeetingLiberal: in my circles BJU was also considered quite liberal


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Cary Schmidt became very contemporary compared to how he was when he was at Lancaster (especially compared to how he was in the beginning years of being a staff member). Rule breaker, it isn't that you are out of touch, its just WCBC changed over the past 3 years DRAMATICALLY. Also take a look at some of their poster boy graduates. Also take a look at Chappell's two sons!

Please do share! I'm not being sarcastic at all. I really want to know what's changed. Are you a former WCBC'er too? How do you attain your insider info? Have their dress/music/dating standards changed? We used to get yelled at for wearing jean skirts that had fading on them. I would seriously keel over from shock if they allowed women to wear pants, come within 6 inches of a dude, or listen to anything other than their music (bass back beats of southern gospel are evil donchaknow) I still have nightmares of the Weaves telling me I can't have more than 3 items on my dresser, my skirt was a little too form fitting, or suggesting I met up with a dude when my ride didn't pick me up from the airport and I had to take a bus to the hotel cause I had nowhere to go from LAX at 10pm.


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